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Post by rubble on Aug 2, 2019 19:18:44 GMT
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Post by Pete Tyjas on Aug 3, 2019 7:41:22 GMT
I believe the source of the incident has been identified and will watch to see how this is dealt with. It is such a pretty stream.
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Post by kevzim on Aug 3, 2019 14:06:33 GMT
Grim. Have been searching for details on the source without success - any chance of a pointer or hint Pete? PM will do! Praying it’s not a bleddy farm... first thing I did when starting the new job was go and find the Westcountry Rivers Trust and introduce myself to “Yog” who heads the ‘upstream thinking’ initiative for farmers. Going to push hard for uptake of that one.
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Post by marcouns on Aug 3, 2019 19:48:24 GMT
Any news on source?
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Post by Pete Tyjas on Aug 4, 2019 9:50:30 GMT
Kev, don't have those details, the news I'd received said the source had been found although it appears it isn't 100% the case. Apologies.
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Post by rubble on Aug 5, 2019 12:57:29 GMT
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Post by yeoman on Aug 5, 2019 17:00:06 GMT
Two things you can guarantee....we'll never find out the source and nothing will happen. Sorry to be pessimistic, but there is far too much of this sort of thing happening with little or no consequence to the perpetrators. All we hear is that the EA doesn't have the funding, resources, blah, blah ,blah. Personally, I'm beginning to think they just don't give a f**k.
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Post by kevzim on Aug 6, 2019 7:23:09 GMT
Sheppey is thought to be a “food based substance”... Mole has been confirmed as agricultural pollution, probably anaerobic digestate - details to be released by EA later in the week.
Will see what I can find out tomorrow from farmers and advisers in the Mole catchment. Bleddy gutting on both counts.
Hate to say it but I suspect milk in Somerset. As one who works in agriculture I am distraught at another f*** up.
I will defend those who work in the EA though. Despite funding and resources being limited the people on the ground are generally really passionate and determined - doing the very best they can within the limits of what they’ve got (and stretching the, when they can get away with it).
Let’s hope the week brings rain and some good news.
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Post by elvers1 on Aug 6, 2019 14:44:09 GMT
To say the EA doesn’t give a F**k is not only wrong it is insulting to those members of the EA who worked seriously long hours over the weekend. In both the Devon and Somerset incidents staff worked tirelessly to try and minimise the impact while other teams were trying to find the perpetrators. All following Cuts of 57%
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Post by boisker on Aug 6, 2019 16:22:40 GMT
Yeah, EA and NE have been butchered by the government through austerity... although there was obviously enough money to give politicians a significant pay rise! Both EA and NE have lost large numbers of very experiences staff, the fisheries / biodiversity teams are on their bones, hardly any routine monitoring gets done. When Cameron came in one of the strap lines was they were going to be the greenest gov ever... the optimists would have assumed more money going into the environment, but over 50% budget & staff reductions doesn’t really support this....
Hopefully they will manage to find the staffing capacity to fully investigate, but I’m not overly confident.
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Post by yeoman on Aug 6, 2019 17:31:52 GMT
To say the EA doesn’t give a F**k is not only wrong it is insulting to those members of the EA who worked seriously long hours over the weekend. In both the Devon and Somerset incidents staff worked tirelessly to try and minimise the impact while other teams were trying to find the perpetrators. All following Cuts of 57% Very glad to hear that.
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Post by Pete Tyjas on Aug 8, 2019 7:38:21 GMT
I believe the incident was self reported.
I'm still trying to find something to spin in a positive way but all I can find is that there were no adult salmon were found in the kill.It's the best I can do I'm afraid.
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Post by boisker on Aug 8, 2019 14:28:18 GMT
I’d heard it was self reported as well. I don’t know the details of this case, but even individuals who do have the correct storage measures in place, with extra capacity to allow for failure can still get caught out... the trouble is just one failure can be catastrophic for the environment, and in the current low water levels it couldn’t be at a worse time. Not sure what the answer is, other than more regular routine inspections and a higher base level containment standard. To be fair most people could do more, I know I could... I keep trying to get my other half to commit to using ‘green’ household products, but we never get there 100% of the time. How many people never use ‘fairy’, biological washing powders, bleach or rinse their paint brushes out in the sink? It all ends up downstream, reducing water quality and biodiversity. As I said previously.... depressing
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Post by terry on Aug 8, 2019 17:05:32 GMT
Boisker you are so right, we should be doing all we can. If fly fisherman can’t make a stand who can. All my family do try but I’m afraid they can get fed up with it. If Dad/Grandad is not banging on about the environment its bleedy salmon farms. I try not to get too depressed however and maybe with all the media coverage of these last two disasters they may be something positive to come out of it. At least Gove is now longer the Environment minister. On a happier note went up on the moor this afternoon as I thought the resent rain may have livened things up. Not really. Thick fog ( vis down to 50 yds ) just like the hounds of the Baskervilles. But no fish.😂
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Post by kevzim on Aug 8, 2019 17:29:32 GMT
I believe the incident was self reported. I'm still trying to find something to spin in a positive way but all I can find is that there were no adult salmon were found in the kill.It's the best I can do I'm afraid. Self reported it was. I can’t find a positive spin... other than an awful lot of focus amongst gossiping farmers on just how terrible it was, which may go some way towards preventing similar disasters. But “it’s an ill wind that blows no good” is bitter consolation.
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Post by boisker on Aug 8, 2019 17:57:38 GMT
The vast majority of farmers would be mortified if this happened to them, thankfully the serial offenders who have a number of large pollution incidents are few... and are often the largest scale / intensive end which makes it all the more galling. The worst one I have read about is the agricultural college in Wales that has had 3 major incidences in the last 6 or 7 years... they should be permanently closed down Unfortunately there is far less awareness in the farming community about the low scale, drip drip farm pollution and poor resource protection.
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Post by Pete Tyjas on Aug 9, 2019 7:06:18 GMT
It was good to see the incident reported on BBC Spotlight last night.
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Post by paul on Nov 19, 2019 14:04:25 GMT
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