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Jan 14, 2022 8:32:35 GMT
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Post by halfstoned on Jan 14, 2022 8:32:35 GMT
Once on the Teign in the meadows below Mill End and once on Fernworthy I think ( could have Burrator). There is a video somewhere of Mr Bannister fishing a black racklehannen on a flooded Devon stream to fish taking Hawthorns? Alas I just don't see them dancing above the hedges like they used to, like all the Bibionidae ( Hawthorn, Black Gnat etc..) if your life cycle involves laying your eggs in the soil in this country your days are numbered!
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Post by Pete Tyjas on Jan 14, 2022 8:45:05 GMT
I can see that happening at that spot on the Teign.
We had a fair few in the garden last year and in the past I have left the lawnmower where it was and hit the river just in case when the hatch was in full swing.
Interesting, I haven't seen Luke's video but the time I had most success was when it was wet. Possibly poor at flying skills and raindrops are the right recipe for them being forced to crash land on the river.
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Post by wildfisher on Jan 14, 2022 9:20:10 GMT
With all terrestrial flies you need wind to blow them onto the water otherwise they are just not available to the trout. But even with all the ingredients in place sometimes trout just refuse to rise. I've seen massive march brown and LDO hatches on the river Isla here in Angus and not a fish taking them. Same on The Don. Trout are just awkward blighters.
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Post by Pete Tyjas on Jan 14, 2022 9:35:41 GMT
With all terrestrial flies you need wind to blow them onto the water otherwise they are just not available to the trout. But even with all the ingredients in place sometimes trout just refuse to rise. I've seen massive march brown and LDO hatches on the river Isla here in Angus and not a fish taking them. Same on The Don. Trout are just awkward blighters. I get the wind thing but because a lot of the rivers we fish here are so heavily tree-lined I was more coming from the point that the hatch doesn't impact us in quite the way it might others as a result of this and the ability of them to be blown onto the water in quite the same way. Awkward, definitely but I guess it is why we love them so much!
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Jan 14, 2022 10:41:36 GMT
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Post by halfstoned on Jan 14, 2022 10:41:36 GMT
Here we go
As you say Pete, a rather wet day by the look of it!
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Post by Pete Tyjas on Jan 14, 2022 11:12:50 GMT
Nice, thanks for posting.
Think I know that spot too. I may have done a film with Luke there a few years back.
Well perhaps we might be on to something about conditions when it comes to rain and hawthorn.
The other interesting thing is that how generic the fly is especially as an angler/tyer you might think the legs would be a key trigger point.
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Post by wildfisher on Jan 14, 2022 12:05:42 GMT
The other interesting thing is that how generic the fly is especially as an angler/tyer you might think the legs would be a key trigger point. For sure. You would think a small black hopper would be perfect. This was May 2020, 10 minutes from my home, when we were all in lockdown. Going for a walk and sitting on the riverbank with a camera was OK, but fishing was not. Go figure! It was a hot and breezy day with hawthorns being blown onto the water. By the time we were allowed to get out with the rod a week or so later it was all over.
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Post by terry on Jan 14, 2022 13:55:12 GMT
Some years ago I witnessed a massive fall of hawthorns way up the upper west dart ( Petes high country) there were literally hundreds landing everywhere except on the river. I even tried to coax some by waving my landing net about. How stupid was that. Thank heavens nobody saw me.
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Post by Pete Tyjas on Jan 14, 2022 15:15:38 GMT
Some years ago I witnessed a massive fall of hawthorns way up the upper west dart ( Petes high country) there were literally hundreds landing everywhere except on the river. I even tried to coax some by waving my landing net about. How stupid was that. Thank heavens nobody saw me. Now I would have liked to have seen that! Thinking out loud again the streams of Dartmoor are the perfect example of treeless expanses where a terrestrial fly is a must have. I've fished everything I could think of or tie up there when it comes to terrestrials. Of course, ants, aphids and beetles are perfect lower down the river where trees do play a bigger part but it is a really interesting (well, I think so!) to get to the bottom of why hawthorn isn't the hatch we'd love to experience here on the rivers. As an aide, I bought a copy of a book by Nick Thomas who writes for the magazine ( I like the nod in it's title-Fly Couture) has just published. He does some real left field stuff with many unusual materials but mainly organza. He has a really neat hawthorn pattern he's tied with neoprene cord that he uses as a wing case. I wish I had his ingenuity.
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