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Post by halfstoned on Sept 28, 2016 18:13:51 GMT
Hmmm forgot to add that Hardytim, but thinking about it the fish did take just after the nymph hit the water, I wondered if the plop actually attracted them as if something had fallen from the trees? I have taken to using curved klinkhammer type hooks for my tungsten nymphs and CDC for the tail as I thought the pheasant tail might be too spiky and impeding a good hook up. Doesn't seem to have made much difference, next year = flying treble? Perhaps not!
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Post by pusser on Sept 28, 2016 19:02:45 GMT
I did notice, when I fished Sydenham recently, that the nymph 'plop' almost acted like a dinner gong for the fish (the water was crystal clear and I could see the fish taking the nymph!). I thought t may spook them, but not in all cases, some of them really went to the area that the nymph had landed.
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Post by halfstoned on Sept 28, 2016 19:15:33 GMT
Many years ago , you would get loads of green caterpillars on the Teign ( oak moth apparently) and the plop definitely attracted the fish in the slow thin water at the tails of the pools. This was in the spring though. Not sure if they still appear there now. Maybe the lack of fly life has forced the fish to start dinning on acorns?
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Post by hardytim on Sept 28, 2016 19:39:54 GMT
If you fish the Downes stretch of the Yeo, you get the occasional heft plop of a golf ball!
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Post by pusser on Sept 30, 2016 18:04:03 GMT
I had an afternoon at Sydenham again today and lost about 10 fish just like you have described . I managed a few small ones to the net.
I was trying out the rod I've bought for nymphing (wychwood river and stream 11' #3) very pleased with it.
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Post by halfstoned on Sept 30, 2016 20:00:13 GMT
Whichwood river and stream rod already on my Christmas list ( 7' 6" 3 weight) glad to hear your happy with yours, shame about the lost fish though, I've been trying to convince myself that they must have been " taking short" the other day.😔
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Post by pusser on Sept 30, 2016 20:21:38 GMT
Whichwood river and stream rod already on my Christmas list ( 7' 6" 3 weight) glad to hear your happy with yours, shame about the lost fish though, I've been trying to convince myself that they must have been " taking short" the other day.😔 It's a lovely rod, although took a bit of getting used to at 11' after using the Shakey at 6' !!! And, this was my first time trying out tight line nymphing, so although I only landed 3 fish i'm pretty happy that I didn't completely blank, so I must be doing something almost right
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Post by halfstoned on Sept 30, 2016 21:17:29 GMT
Well done for trying a new method! Sort of tried tight line nymphing this year but will definitely try harder next year. Keep watching various videos on it but there seems to be a lot of variations on the same theme. Anybody got a nice basic setup that a novice could easily follow? Did you not find the 11' rod too long for our treelined streams pusser?
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Post by pusser on Sept 30, 2016 21:27:45 GMT
The rod was fine, especially at Sydenham. But, as you don't really false cast there wasn't even too much of a problem in the tighter spots, although I did bow and arrow cast in the real tight spots.
The rig I used was as follows:
Connected to the fly line (#3) is a 6' length of hi vis green monofil (15lb is what I used) with 5' of 6x tippet connected to that, with a dropper around 18" from the end. I didnt use any of the fly line at all (kept it within the rod rings) and used the end of the 'casting line' as an indicator but I think i'll put some red blobs of bug bond on the end too to make it more visible as an indicator.
From there it was just a case of flick casting and high sticking, where there was overhead space.
I found it to be really enjoyable actually, but I think the real secret is setting the hook at the slightest sign of anything 'different' going on with the join between the tippet and indicator (which is where I need to be more practiced, and disciplined!), and setting the hook at the end of the drift too.
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Post by halfstoned on Sept 30, 2016 22:08:58 GMT
Thanks pusser, I see some people on you tube using these indicators that look like a row of beads on a coloured leader, any idea how these work? Do the beads allow you to fish at different depths? Do the beads f!oat or sink? When they say tightline is there actually some slack to let you see the take, or is it so tight you feel the fish? Questions questions.
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Post by pusser on Oct 1, 2016 7:56:23 GMT
The beads I put on don't float, for me they are just another visual indication, especially handy if the end of the hi visit line dips beneath the surface.
As far as I can tell it's called tight line not so much because the line is 'tight' but more that there is direct contact between the rod and the nymph (if that makes sense). Some takes I felt and others I saw with the indicator.
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Post by boisker on Oct 1, 2016 8:40:02 GMT
Yeah it shouldn't be completely tight, ideally you should lead the nymphs through the water with a very slight bow to the line, this then helps you detect takes.... If it was completely tight you wouldn't be able to see the deviations in the line.
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Post by jezney on Oct 1, 2016 13:07:27 GMT
If your catching fish doing what you do,don't change if you feel comfortable with it.Enjoy what your doing.
I have 2 nymphing setups.
First,I use a 15ft Tapered Dohiku French Leader (by far the best one) and cut back the thin end about 2 meters,as it's just too thin and won't turn over. To the end,I attach my bi-colour indicator mono ( hanak or rio).Length,about 6-9 inches. To this,I then attach my tippet.I pull off an outstretched arms length to the dropper,then half again to the point fly.
The way I currently set up my nymph rod,is I have a hanak nymph line,then about 9ft of stren "blue" line of 17lb (very stiff line),then taper down to 4ft of French kamoufil line of 11lb,then my bi-colour indicator and so on,the same as the previous set up.
Mine is more long line nymphing,probably casting up to 3-4 rod lengths some times.But alot of the time,casting much shorter.All depends on the pool and where the fish are likely to be.
Out of anything with nymphing and especially grayling,it's very important to get your nymphs down to the where the fish are.
Really hope this helps a little in some way.
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Post by halfstoned on Oct 1, 2016 13:08:20 GMT
Thanks guys, this is another great thing about this hobby,there's always something else to learn and more stuff to buy !! I think I've got some fluorescent thread somewhere to make a hi vis braided leader, shame the seasons finished! Obviously lots to think about over the closed season, I had good results this year fishing the duo but some of of the takes were just the merest wobble of the dry fly and I couldn't help thinking that a number of takes were going unnoticed. Also the nymph wasn't always in the taking area ( too shallow).
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Post by pusser on Oct 2, 2016 19:08:15 GMT
halfstoned there are a few clips on YouTube but here is one where you can make out the strike indicator as well Enjoy
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Post by halfstoned on Oct 2, 2016 21:29:47 GMT
Thanks pusser, it really looks like a deadly technique in the right situation. Definitely going to spend this winter tying some Czech nymphs and sorting out an outfit for tight line nymphing. Still think I will always be a dry fly man at heart , but this years dry fly fishing has been a bit disappointing for me, hopefully better conditions next season. Good luck with the grayling, not a species I've ever fished for but I hope to get round to it someday.
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Post by Pete Tyjas on Oct 3, 2016 14:48:51 GMT
Some good advice, I'd certainly agree with Jezney's suggestion of cutting back the front part of a shop bought French leader. There isn't much need for such a fine tip unless you'll be using it for dries. I like the term tight line nymphing and use this more than euro nymphing these days as we all have our interpretations of fishing the method. As an aside I've just read and have written a review for a new book called "Nymphing - The New Way" by Jonathan White. It is a really good introduction to those looking to get into modern nymphing techniques.
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Post by halfstoned on Jan 2, 2017 15:59:41 GMT
Just been for a stroll down on the Yeo at salmon hutch, saw a dark olive floating along so I followed it for about 20 yards until it came to rest against a trash dam and disappeared. With a new rod and line for Christmas it could be a long wait this year, time to get the fly tying kit out.
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Post by pusser on Apr 10, 2017 18:28:45 GMT
I had 3 hours on the Yeo this afternoon and managed some PBs! The river was at a decent level and slightly coloured. There was a bit of a breeze running but it was intermittent so not too much trouble. I had 6 to the net and lost 3 and they were all of a fairly decent size (nothing under 7"). I had a great time exploring all the various runs and foam lines and my first of the day came from dropping my flies into a run between 2 fallen trees; i nearly missed the fish as it was a very tentative take. I didn't see anything hatching today but a few fish were rising in one particular spot, so i cast my flies upstream of the rings and the next fish was on the hook! All fish were taken on a bead head PTN and all takes were very tentative. So to the PBs, thus is the most fish i've had in an afternoon and the largest was around 12", my next PB. Cheers A very enjoyable few hours indeed. This was the largest of the day ...
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Post by halfstoned on Apr 10, 2017 19:00:12 GMT
That's a good fish there pusser, I bet he/she gave a good account of itself. Was this the crediton yeo or lapford ? Your obviously starting to get the hang of this river fluff chucking lark.
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